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Post by gethighsamurai on Apr 21, 2024 9:43:09 GMT
I’ve had a look through posts on the forum and couldn’t find any posts relating to changing the gold penalty, all I found was a mention in the EE server post about ‘some players wanting a harder server’, but with no mention of the gold thing. Can someone link me to a post discussing this topic please if there is one? I’ve returned after a couple years break so I may have missed this topic being discussed.
Before EE, Chree would always give players a say in the changes he was thinking of making. That gave players a sense of ownership and involvement with the server, it was fair. This decision seems to have been made because it’s what ‘you’ want. If its openly discussed and there's a consensus among players then fair enough.
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Post by niels1975 on Apr 21, 2024 10:09:56 GMT
Hello Devs and DMs,
Im very sorry to read that gold loss on death is no longer capped.
The reason being gold means nothing is baffling to me.
I smash and bash to get items and make gold to buy the things I like.
I pay taxes and travel fees with it.
So gold means the world already.
To get lots of gold, I try to fight in high risk, high reward places.
To do so I think and plan my toons carefully, sprouting new ideas and playstyles.
Loosing 40k on death for a rich toon is a severe penalty already.
Now it is a GARGANTUAN penalty, for trying risky things and getting creative.
I wont stop playing, but I am very disappointed at this change.
Gold suddenly means a lot less if you can loose tons of it after hours of hard work...
:-(
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Post by jarrod on Apr 21, 2024 11:05:31 GMT
I wonder how the 10% figure was chosen? As some basic math in my head says that on a typical play session where you know your limits and didnt play the very hardest maps but farmed reasonable maps for your build and gear for a few hours but you will die a few times anyhow. Say 4 times you die before you quit playing an area after 4 hours. So you started the day with modest farmer on 10 million gp Death 1: now worth 9 million Death 2: now worth 8.1 million Death 3: now worth 7.2 million Death 4: now worth 6.4 million Net loss = 3.6 million gp So then its not really 10% loss but more like cumulitive loss of 10% + 9% + 8% + 7% = 34% loss. So your telling me that in that play session of 4 hours i am supposed to make more than 3.6 million gp to cover the deaths and then any extra is my profit ? Because if the loss is more than the income soon i wont be able to afford the boatman or respawns. Are we really going to be finding so many items to sell to cover that death cost and make a profit ? In the end of the day the drop ratio has to cover the cost of farming. I didnt even put in the long term farmer with loads of gold as its clearly impossible to be playing on a long term farmer and get large sum of cash as the drops wont cover the death loss. It will only work if you are so organised that you hire helpers to come raise you. I remember way back on 3t people would shout when dead and give higher prices to come raise me and there could be a bidding war. It was sort of fun but i think it will get old fast waiting on other peoples to come help you or disrupting your game all the time to act as a rescuer. This really just created a dependency on the successful rich farmers to work together or to be online to help all the time. That seems to be the real mechanic at play now. Maybe i should be planning a new build that specialises in doing rescues and just makes all their money that way.  |
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Post by taroc on Apr 21, 2024 12:05:36 GMT
Update v005p Status : TEST-the player shop ! I added a new area accessible from Wheaton, Arakan, Fer, Harata, Isle of Secrets. There is a sign in the shop to explain how it works. -respawn gold penalty cap removed : WARNING, the gold penalty of respawns after lvl 41 (820001xp or more) will not be capped to 40k anymore.-epic monk items : Taroc created some new items. You can find them on the high-tier shelves of Ten Dragons' shop. -trap kits now take 1x1 inventory space instead of 2x2. -lesser mind blank was missing from new cleric domain Knowledge at lvl 5 (it was instead improved invisibility). -fixed some typos Please test this update on the test server. Especially the player shop. Thank you ! In case anyone misses it, Findell has edited his initial post. |
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Post by Findell on Apr 21, 2024 12:11:22 GMT
I'll revise it again with a more agreeable update, hopefully.
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Post by taroc on Apr 21, 2024 12:19:21 GMT
Is this a whole DM vs the player situation? What are the decisions being based on? Who's making the decisions? This was discussed on the DM forums based on server logs of player wealth. Re: DM vs players, DMs are players too, this would affect our characters too. At the time the log was reviewed my character was at number 12 on the list of most wealthiest. The uncapped 10% was a proposal put forward by Findell and not set as concrete. Currently the death tax is being reviewed based on the feedback from this thread. |
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Post by perrit on Apr 21, 2024 16:33:09 GMT
from a curiousity point of view it would be nice if there was a visible list of the top 10-20 wealthiest toons  |
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Post by Findell on Apr 21, 2024 17:43:44 GMT
from a curiousity point of view it would be nice if there was a visible list of the top 10-20 wealthiest toons I wanted to display a board with that kind of info, but I don't know maybe you don't want other players to know your rank.  |
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Post by mcbutcher on Apr 21, 2024 17:47:33 GMT
Is this a whole DM vs the player situation? What are the decisions being based on? Who's making the decisions? This was discussed on the DM forums based on server logs of player wealth. Re: DM vs players, DMs are players too, this would affect our characters too. At the time the log was reviewed my character was at number 12 on the list of most wealthiest. The uncapped 10% was a proposal put forward by Findell and not set as concrete. Currently the death tax is being reviewed based on the feedback from this thread. Thanks for that, taroc and I'm sure you know it but just in case you didn't, I wasn't trying to attack you or the DM team. 😉 Also, thanks DM team for listening to the players feedback on this issue and for changing it back. Anyone that has ideas for gold sink should speak up. There are lots of new players that have come from other servers so surely they will have ideas. |
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Post by apecraze on Apr 21, 2024 17:48:28 GMT
Why would a Scotsman bother about wealth of foreigners, while protecting his own :-))))
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Post by apecraze on Apr 21, 2024 17:53:15 GMT
from a curiousity point of view it would be nice if there was a visible list of the top 10-20 wealthiest toons I wanted to display a board with that kind of info, but I don't know maybe you don't want other players to know your rank. In times of Fingers420 it would display 999999999 gold :-p |
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Post by Findell on Apr 21, 2024 17:55:10 GMT
I wanted to display a board with that kind of info, but I don't know maybe you don't want other players to know your rank. In times of Fingers420 it would display 999999999 gold :-p 10% gold death penalty would mean a lot and nothing at the name time |
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Post by psv38 on Apr 21, 2024 18:02:49 GMT
My risen that lived at Darkmoor also had the 999999999  |
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Post by Findell on Apr 21, 2024 18:15:33 GMT
My risen that lived at Darkmoor also had the 999999999 He had bought the castle there I heard |
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Post by Findell on Apr 22, 2024 14:00:06 GMT
Update is live
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