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jonlun
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max dc sorc or wizard Feb 2, 2015 10:12:12 GMT

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Post by jonlun on Feb 2, 2015 10:12:12 GMT

heres my favourite

Sorcerer(29), Pale Master(10), Harper Scout(1), Human

STR: 8
DEX: 8
CON: 16
WIS: 8
INT: 12
CHA: 18 (38)

Human: (Quick to Master)
01: Sorcerer(1): Alertness, Iron Will
02: Sorcerer(2)
03: Sorcerer(3): Spell Focus: Necromancy
04: Sorcerer(4): CHA+1, (CHA=19)
05: Sorcerer(5)
06: Sorcerer(6): Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
07: Sorcerer(7)
08: Sorcerer(8): CHA+1, (CHA=20)
09: Sorcerer(9): Toughness
10: Pale Master(1)
11: Pale Master(2)
12: Pale Master(3): CHA+1, Empower Spell, {Darkvision}, (CHA=21)
13: Pale Master(4)
14: Pale Master(5)
15: Pale Master(6): Maximize Spell
16: Pale Master(7): CHA+1, (CHA=22)
17: Pale Master(8)
18: Pale Master(9): Silent Spell
19: Pale Master(10)
20: Sorcerer(10): CHA+1, (CHA=23)
21: Sorcerer(11): Great Charisma I, (CHA=24)
22: Sorcerer(12)
23: Sorcerer(13)
24: Sorcerer(14): CHA+1, Great Charisma II, (CHA=26)
25: Sorcerer(15)
26: Sorcerer(16)
27: Sorcerer(17): Epic Spell Focus: Necromancy
28: Sorcerer(18): CHA+1, (CHA=27)
29: Sorcerer(19)
30: Sorcerer(20): Great Charisma III, (CHA=28)
31: Sorcerer(21)
32: Sorcerer(22): CHA+1, (CHA=29)
33: Sorcerer(23): Great Charisma IV, Great Charisma V, (CHA=31)
34: Sorcerer(24)
35: Sorcerer(25)
36: Sorcerer(26): CHA+1, Great Charisma VI, Great Charisma VII, (CHA=34)
37: Sorcerer(27)
38: Sorcerer(28)
39: Sorcerer(29): Great Charisma VIII, Great Charisma IX, (CHA=36)
40: Harper Scout(1): CHA+1, Great Charisma X, (CHA=38)

Hitpoints: 360
Skillpoints: 174
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 23/25/15
Saving Throw bonuses: Spells: +8
BAB: 20
AB (max, naked): 19 (melee), 19 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 18/21
Spell Casting: Sorcerer(9)
Alignment Changes: 0

Concentration 42(45), Discipline 4(3), Heal 43(42), Lore 6(8), Persuade 8(22), Search 4(5), Spellcraft 42(43), Tumble 16(15), remaining skillpoints 1

demoquin Fer Apprentice Posts: 107	max dc sorc or wizard Dec 22, 2015 21:04:42 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by demoquin on Dec 22, 2015 21:04:42 GMT Why bother with HS at all since you are not maxing disc or tumble?

jonlun Master of the Ten Dragons Posts: 430	max dc sorc or wizard Jan 1, 2016 19:15:04 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jonlun on Jan 1, 2016 19:15:04 GMT Its cause I get 1 more grt charisma, only way to get 51 dc on a sorc pm.

thepromise
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max dc sorc or wizard Jan 28, 2017 21:37:36 GMT

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Post by thepromise on Jan 28, 2017 21:37:36 GMT

Sorry to revive an old thread but some good stuff in here. I was thinking about making an almost pure wiz (for solo) and had some questions for the 3T 'old hands' (no offence)

-What epic spells are worth taking?

-Is the conjuration line of summons (i.e. getting the elly lord summon) worth taking?

-do the pure wizards use summons at all?

-is it really necessary to go to great int X, or can you survive with losing 3 or 4 DC in exchange for AC (autostill?) or epic spells?

-best familiar, or are they useless?

Thanks!

TP

Last Edit: Jan 28, 2017 23:12:55 GMT by thepromise

Rijnius Master of the Ten Dragons Lost Soul Posts: 344	max dc sorc or wizard Jan 30, 2017 17:58:50 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Rijnius on Jan 30, 2017 17:58:50 GMT Awesome max DC wizards go 38 Wiz / 1 PM / 1 HS.
	Last Edit: Jan 30, 2017 17:59:14 GMT by Rijnius May they rest in peace.

adamantite Fer Apprentice Posts: 191	max dc sorc or wizard Jan 30, 2017 19:58:21 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by adamantite on Jan 30, 2017 19:58:21 GMT Jan 28, 2017 21:37:36 GMT thepromise said: is it really necessary to go to great int X, or can you survive with losing 3 or 4 DC It is. If you can't get great int X then don't bother with DC at all.

Rijnius
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max dc sorc or wizard Jan 30, 2017 21:24:28 GMT

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Post by Rijnius on Jan 30, 2017 21:24:28 GMT

Since noone put up a build with more HP, here's my Goblin (Gnome) wizard outline.
Trick is to start with 19 CON so you end up with 20 CON (using feats) and DC 56 with two schools.

Pick illusion school and take the PM level before epics for the 7th wizard epic feat.

Big'by - 38 Wizard / 1 PM / 1 HS

Spell Focus (Evocation)
Greater Focus (Evocation)
Toughness
Spell Focus (Necromancy)
Greater Focus (Necromancy)
Alertness / Iron Will

*Silent Spell / *Empower Spell
*Maximize Spell

Epic Spell Focus (Necromancy)
Epic Spell Focus (Evocation)
Greater Intelligence VIII-X (3)
Greater Constitution I
Skill Focus (Discipline)

*Greater Intelligence I-VII (7)
*Epic Skill Focus (Discipline)

Last Edit: Jan 30, 2017 21:49:52 GMT by Rijnius

May they rest in peace.

donojono Master of the Ten Dragons Posts: 492	max dc sorc or wizard Feb 13, 2017 18:35:45 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by donojono on Feb 13, 2017 18:35:45 GMT The PM lvl also opens up the ability to use any gear targeted for PM only, I always wondered when do the PM vunerabilties kick in?

angryanderson Master of the Ten Dragons Posts: 441	max dc sorc or wizard Jan 26, 2018 14:11:05 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by angryanderson on Jan 26, 2018 14:11:05 GMT Still the optimal widgets in order of acquisition? 1. elemental control. 2. fine elemental control. 3. peaceful rest. 4. clear mind. What familiars work best? Going to try to finish my human version, currently L26.
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Findell
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max dc sorc or wizard Jan 26, 2018 15:09:16 GMT

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Post by Findell on Jan 26, 2018 15:09:16 GMT

I would say,
1. Drone, 2. Elemental control, 3. Fine elemental, 4. Clear mind

The drone can guard your rest. Or you can run away if you still have another ii or gsanc due to ClearMind widget

Panter for low levels,
Pixie for Harata and Mano (open lock)
Eyeball at lvl 39

Last Edit: Jan 26, 2018 15:23:18 GMT by Findell

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psv38 Dungeon Master Posts: 737	max dc sorc or wizard Jan 26, 2018 15:09:43 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by psv38 on Jan 26, 2018 15:09:43 GMT I don't have any casters, but I would imagine drones might be nice, of course I am not sure which widget you would turn in then...

mcbutcher
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max dc sorc or wizard Jan 26, 2018 18:38:49 GMT

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Post by mcbutcher on Jan 26, 2018 18:38:49 GMT

Jan 26, 2018 15:09:16 GMT Findell said:

I would say,
1. Drone, 2. Elemental control, 3. Fine elemental, 4. Clear mind

The drone can guard your rest. Or you can run away if you still have another ii or gsanc due to ClearMind widget

Panter for low levels,
Pixie for Harata and Mano (open lock)
Eyeball at lvl 39

regarding widgets, I would have to agree with findell here. drop rest for drone if you haven't taken it already.

or if you have, maybe one of the new DM's will be nice enough to swap it for ya

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angryanderson Master of the Ten Dragons Posts: 441	max dc sorc or wizard Feb 12, 2019 17:21:42 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by angryanderson on Feb 12, 2019 17:21:42 GMT How about end game gear set up for the Wiz (39) HS (1) - what sort of things should I be aiming for?
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max dc sorc or wizard Feb 13, 2019 10:39:52 GMT angryanderson likes this

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Post by Findell on Feb 13, 2019 10:39:52 GMT

You want to cover all physical DR, max Int of course and Con

On my wizard I use :
Twice Forged Empyric Dagger
Staff of Ages
Greater Robes of Memory
Sendauntra boots +6 or striddings +6 (+5 are just fine)
2 True Rings of the Wizard (you can find +5 ones pretty easily nowadays)
Epic Brawlers Belt
Claok of the protector (15/- pierce one)
Mighty Moose helm
Fortified Bracers

(that is my basic setup with non random gear... I adapt it according to the area I'm going to)

Last Edit: Feb 13, 2019 10:41:29 GMT by Findell

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Loner
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max dc sorc or wizard Aug 26, 2021 18:04:03 GMT

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Post by Loner on Aug 26, 2021 18:04:03 GMT

Jan 19, 2015 19:30:32 GMT perrit said:

DC wiz -pm -hs build, only change would be to move Harper Scout to 40 to max disc

Wizard(29), Pale Master(10), Harper Scout(1), Gnome

STR: 10
DEX: 8
CON: 18
WIS: 8
INT: 18 (38)
CHA: 8

Gnome: (Defensive Training vs. Giants, Hardiness vs. Enchantments, Low-light Vision, Offensive Training vs. Goblinoids, Offensive Training vs. Reptilians, Skill Affinity: Concentration, Skill Affinity: Listen, Small Stature, Spell Focus: Illusion)
01: Wizard(1): Spell Focus: Evocation, {Scribe Scroll}
02: Wizard(2)
03: Wizard(3): Greater Spell Focus: Evocation
04: Pale Master(1): INT+1, (INT=19)
05: Pale Master(2)
06: Pale Master(3): Silent Spell, {Darkvision}
07: Pale Master(4)
08: Pale Master(5): INT+1, (INT=20)
09: Pale Master(6): Greater Spell Focus: Illusion
10: Pale Master(7)
11: Pale Master(8)
12: Pale Master(9): INT+1, Toughness, (INT=21)
13: Pale Master(10)
14: Wizard(4)
15: Wizard(5): Iron Will, Empower Spell
16: Wizard(6): INT+1, (INT=22)
17: Wizard(7)
18: Wizard(8): Alertness
19: Wizard(9)
20: Wizard(10): INT+1, Maximize Spell, (INT=23)
21: Wizard(11): Great Intelligence I, (INT=24)
22: Wizard(12)
23: Wizard(13)
24: Wizard(14): INT+1, Epic Spell Focus: Illusion, (INT=25)
25: Wizard(15): Epic Spell Focus: Evocation
26: Wizard(16)
27: Wizard(17): Great Intelligence II, (INT=26)
28: Wizard(18): INT+1, (INT=27)
29: Wizard(19)
30: Wizard(20): Great Intelligence III, Great Intelligence IV, (INT=29)
31: Wizard(21)
32: Wizard(22): INT+1, (INT=30)
33: Wizard(23): Great Intelligence V, Great Intelligence VI, (INT=32)
34: Wizard(24)
35: Wizard(25)
36: Wizard(26): INT+1, Great Intelligence VII, Great Intelligence VIII, (INT=35)
37: Wizard(27)
38: Wizard(28)
39: Harper Scout(1): Great Intelligence IX, Epic Skill Focus: Discipline, (INT=36)
40: Wizard(29): INT+1, Great Intelligence X, (INT=38)

Hitpoints: 400
Skillpoints: 381
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 24/25/15
Saving Throw bonuses: Spells: +11, Mind Effects: +2
BAB: 20
AB (max, naked): 21 (melee), 20 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 24/27
Spell Casting: Wizard(9)

Alignment Changes: 0

Concentration 43(49), Discipline 42(52), Heal 43(42), Listen 42(45), Lore 43(58), Persuade 42(41), Search 4(18), Spellcraft 43(57), Tumble 42(41), remaining skillpoints 29

Never had a problem with spell penetration if taking 10PM and no spell pen feat ??

max dc sorc or wizard

Post by jonlun on Feb 2, 2015 10:12:12 GMT

Post by demoquin on Dec 22, 2015 21:04:42 GMT

Post by jonlun on Jan 1, 2016 19:15:04 GMT

Post by thepromise on Jan 28, 2017 21:37:36 GMT

Post by Rijnius on Jan 30, 2017 17:58:50 GMT

Post by adamantite on Jan 30, 2017 19:58:21 GMT

Post by Rijnius on Jan 30, 2017 21:24:28 GMT

Post by donojono on Feb 13, 2017 18:35:45 GMT

Post by angryanderson on Jan 26, 2018 14:11:05 GMT

Post by Findell on Jan 26, 2018 15:09:16 GMT

Post by psv38 on Jan 26, 2018 15:09:43 GMT

Post by mcbutcher on Jan 26, 2018 18:38:49 GMT

Post by angryanderson on Feb 12, 2019 17:21:42 GMT

Post by Findell on Feb 13, 2019 10:39:52 GMT

Post by Loner on Aug 26, 2021 18:04:03 GMT