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Post by psv38 on Apr 4, 2019 0:08:37 GMT
Can some of you monk masters, or otherwise good builders take a quick look at feat selection etc on this dex based boxer? Thx in advance! Pre epic lvl split: 8 monk/ 7 fighter/ 5 DD. (18 bab) Epic lvl split: 12 monk/ 8 fighter. Race: dwarf Starting stats: Ending stats: str: 14 dex: 16 dex: 28 (10 from level ups, and 2 from feats) con: 16 wis: 14 int: 10 cha: 6 Pre epic feats: 7 + 4 fighter bonus feats = 11, focusing in unarmed and q-staff. 2 wf, 2 imp crit, 2 ws, bf, toughness, dodge, wep finesse and 1 saves feat, either reflex or fort or maybe loh. Epic feats: 7 + 4 fighter bonus feats = 11. 2 ewf, 2 ews, ep, esf disc (is this feats really needed as I will be going dex and I will not have much to add from gear), as, 2 great dex, and 2 saves feats (if needed, reflex and fort). 3 skills: disc, tumble, sc. Any comments or suggestions, please post them here for my consideration!  |
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Post by taroc on Apr 4, 2019 1:50:53 GMT
First off, quarterstaff isn't finessable (unless the proposed monk weapon changes make it so?) - so if you use one you won't hit much. I'd take Great Fort pre-epic and Epic Fort later; don't worry about reflexes as your dex will boost it and you have imp evasion anyways. Personally I take feats in discipline as I can usually get disc higher than AC and I've made disc saves on several occasions. How much STR will you get from gear end-game? If it's going to be an odd number, think about dropping STR to 13, WIS to 12 and boosting DEX to 17. Take one epic DEX feat and Armour Skin to get one more AC (or another feat entirely if you wish). Skills - don't forget to drop a couple of points into open lock; with dex boost + tools you can open quite a few locks. Otherwise, looks like you've got the makings of a pretty solid monk. If you want a Q-staff/boxer build look at this: threetownsboard.boards.net/thread/1012/monk-cot-sd |
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Post by psv38 on Apr 4, 2019 9:46:04 GMT
Thanks for the comments taroc!
I should have 12 str from gear, and yes, a few points into open lock is indeed a good idea, I always forget to think about that, haha.
And I will take a look at that build you linked, I love monks but I usually only have them in my shifter builds, I really hope this one will be fun for me.
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Post by mcbutcher on Apr 4, 2019 12:33:49 GMT
Thanks for the comments taroc! I should have 12 str from gear, and yes, a few points into open lock is indeed a good idea, I always forget to think about that, haha. And I will take a look at that build you linked, I love monks but I usually only have them in my shifter builds, I really hope this one will be fun for me. At the very least it will be fun levelling and in party. Maybe not so much as a soloer given your experience in end game areas. Would love your feedback though when you do level and gear it as I've made a couple of monk builds and never went through with them. |
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Post by radiomano on Apr 4, 2019 14:28:39 GMT
Your build looks good, just remember to skin it asap bc dwarves are ugly  |
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Post by psv38 on Apr 15, 2019 23:08:14 GMT
Ok, build is at 40, most of it has been done solo with the exception of beholders for the entrance into mano, it is a fun build but I will admit, I am not used to taking crits, and I didn't like it at all!  In theory, with +11 gloves and maxing out the 4 stats that matter (dex/wis/str/con), it would have 90 ac and 63 ab, 770 hp, mind immunity, improved evasion and both reflex and fort saves in the 50's, so overall a nice build, I now would need to gear it and take it out for a test drive in the lost dungeons. As a comparison, my air elemental has 94 ac and 65 ab and is crit/sneak/mind immune, has saves in the high 50's and 780 hp with 7 apr and max DR (EDR 3 and 15/- to all 3 physical) and also max ele DR (from epic elemental resistance ring). BTW, even with my epic gear, I cannot max out those 4 stats from gear alone, I am about 6 or 8 points short, since I also need to get max ac in the slots for armor/natural/deflection/dodge. (now on to the dragon, haha) |
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Post by chreelister on Apr 16, 2019 0:03:06 GMT
How much would you say is it worth, tho, not to be shifted form? Meaning, you can use stuff, drones, save your character, lure better, etc. if you are not shifted. I built 2 characters, 1 a water elly and 1 a Fighter/Bard/RDD. Of course the water elly had better stats, very similar tho or really close in most aspects, kind of like the differences you are saying, but the RDD wasn't in shifter form which gave me more options. So IMO, they was about even, after it was said and done. So disappointed tho, I thought with your epic random keepers, you would be able to max out like at least 5 stats. Also from a non-biased opinion, how useful was Empty Body? Duration and uses? Need improving or fine as is? |
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Post by Jonales on Apr 16, 2019 2:36:51 GMT
I can tell you from personal experience Chree it doesn't amount to much really. The only place I would say they lure better than eles is possibly sanctum in forgies, but eles can solo there regardless so that's nothing noticeable. To be fair, I suppose they can lure better in finale runs, like in gg finale. IF we talk about grubs, don't forget that many types of these classes - and probably this 90 AC monk even with huge AC - will want to lure regardless, and I think an ele can survive in a corner of grubs similar to what they might be able to do. I don't think it'd be hard, they just might like to use a sequencer to get there with sanct/invisi. And many of these classes need true seeing and are limited by it's duration - which the elemental has a good duration of, more than once. I've looked through a lot of these options I feel and the only one worthy of note is basically ultravision or True seeing and darkness bombs from ten dragons. It works fine, but with the short duration of both true seeing from items and the darkness bombs it involves an inordinate amount of effort to do this in endgame zones imo. It's good and it works, but it's a significant workload I feel.
Please don't mention drones. The only extra drone I got was completely randomly from an item gem given by PSV a good time ago, and I've had it on my bard ever since mostly.
Not many people I think would have more than 2 or 3, and so that point is diminished by the amount of shapes, and amount of people it concerns. You can use drones with elementals, I do it all the time. I've done it in web, in trighton, in testing pits, in inferno and sanctum while soloing, getting to the deep forge, farming troll lord, loads of times loads of places.
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Post by psv38 on Apr 16, 2019 11:14:21 GMT
Well Chree, I think I can say w/o doubt that the ele would survive longer and better than the monk I just built, the crit/sneak immunity is huge, and the use of items and drones would not make that much a difference. Like jon said, most people will probably only have 2-3 drones so those 2-3 mins are godlike but then you back to having to do it all yourself. I have also noticed that creatures roll a lot of 20's, haha, my ele never takes big damages from any source, the only thing he worries about (only a little) is wof (if unbuffed), rolling a 1 after a dispel, and iron horn, that's about it.
This new monk is a lot of fun, and in a small group I bet he would shine. Solo, I will test some over the coming days but if leveling up is an indication, then if I had to choose, I would stick with the ele hands down. And yes, before shifting, as jon also noted, you can cast a drone and jump right into battle.
Hahahaha, yes, even with my gear I struggled to max out 4 stats, and ammy was taken by ac item. I didn't use ring slot for physical and ele DR rings, I even used those for stat items and I still couldn't do it. Now, of course the monk is hugely disadvantaged d/t the fact that it loses wep slot, shield slot, and the bracer slot is taken up by gloves for damage. On my ele everything merges so that makes it easier, much easier for gearing.
On the empty body issue....if I looked correctly, it gives me concealment (I assume 50%), and 2 dex/3wisdom. Are these things undispellable? If so, those are nice bonuses, very nice bonuses, might make gearing slightly easier, haha.
Duration I tested twice and came to 4 mins and 55 secs, is that correct, so total of almost 10 mins of these increases. I think duration could be improved tbh.
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Post by chreelister on Apr 16, 2019 12:05:24 GMT
This is undispellable. The stats sound about right, IIRC, +1 Dex per 10 levels of Monk, +1 Wis per 6 levels of Monk. You can also get the Monk Widget, to get more 2 uses. To me, this is the best and easiest way to make the Monk Class better without making Shifters better also. Because no Shifter is going to take that amount of Monk. So to ease up the Stat gearing, we could up these, make them last longer and/or add AC, Strength, etc. Not saying we are going to, but we could add it in another poll whenever the next one occurs.
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Post by psv38 on Apr 16, 2019 12:19:06 GMT
Ok Chree, those numbers sound right as i have 20 monk levels so 2 dex and 3 wis matches that. And I agree, that would probably be the way to go to make monks more desirable as a non shifted class.
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Post by perrit on Apr 16, 2019 20:36:17 GMT
This is undispellable. The stats sound about right, IIRC, +1 Dex per 10 levels of Monk, +1 Wis per 6 levels of Monk. You can also get the Monk Widget, to get more 2 uses. To me, this is the best and easiest way to make the Monk Class better without making Shifters better also. Because no Shifter is going to take that amount of Monk. So to ease up the Stat gearing, we could up these, make them last longer and/or add AC, Strength, etc. Not saying we are going to, but we could add it in another poll whenever the next one occurs. i have a 20 mk elly sd  |
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Post by Jonales on Apr 17, 2019 5:49:17 GMT
Soooo, poll is new feat = warrior empty body right? |
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Post by chreelister on Apr 17, 2019 12:00:43 GMT
This is undispellable. The stats sound about right, IIRC, +1 Dex per 10 levels of Monk, +1 Wis per 6 levels of Monk. You can also get the Monk Widget, to get more 2 uses. To me, this is the best and easiest way to make the Monk Class better without making Shifters better also. Because no Shifter is going to take that amount of Monk. So to ease up the Stat gearing, we could up these, make them last longer and/or add AC, Strength, etc. Not saying we are going to, but we could add it in another poll whenever the next one occurs. i have a 20 mk elly sd I am going to assume that Monk Shifter SDs, need some help too? I don't see any online compared to say Risens and Fighter Ellys. We can always put in the No SD Warrior Widget rule in. |
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Post by Findell on Apr 17, 2019 12:18:11 GMT
Soooo, poll is new feat = warrior empty body right? off topic but you talking about warrior widget ? what is warrior anyway ? |
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