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Post by chreelister on Dec 15, 2022 6:31:00 GMT
*Deleted 23 unused Creatures to free up resources. *Added Kamas to Entry Zone Metal Merchant. *Added Kama and Kama +1 to Brother Bentin in Fer. *Added Kamas to the Monk level stores in 10D. These are 1 under, so the 1st store has a normal Kama, the 2nd store has a +1, the 3rd store has a +2, etc. *Weapon Focus Kama Feat now allowed. *Checked Player Forge, Kama Feats and Puissant, all should be good for using Kamas, as far as I can tell.
More Kama items will follow, including drop items, Smith options and the normal weapons you see for everything else. I am also going to try to test and see if Kama Feats, Items, Forges, etc. work as they should. But you should have at least a basis in order to play a Kama user, while using basic Kamas and the Player Forge and Stones.
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Post by jarrod on Dec 15, 2022 6:46:00 GMT
How does this effect Monk based Iron Golems and Air ellies that use Kama?
As the builds took unarmed feats and imp crit Kama. Now the full Kama feats are available should they take Kama feats instead of unarmed?
Would the newly added Kama feats be a nerf to existing Iron Golem / Air ellie builds?
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Post by chreelister on Dec 15, 2022 14:10:20 GMT
How does this effect Monk based Iron Golems and Air ellies that use Kama? As the builds took unarmed feats and imp crit Kama. Now the full Kama feats are available should they take Kama feats instead of unarmed? Would the newly added Kama feats be a nerf to existing Iron Golem / Air ellie builds? There shouldn't be any new effects to Iron Golems and Air Ellies, they should do and act whatever they did before. I don't see how they can get nerf by doing this, unless I am missing something. Basically all you can do now is buy basic Kamas and take the Weapon Focus Kama Feat (which opens up some more Kama weapon feats like EWF and Weapon of Choice). |
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Post by taroc on Dec 15, 2022 18:49:25 GMT
I've made about half of the list of standard 3T kama, I'm hoping to get them all finished by Sunday, RL permitting, then I'll work on the more rare drop types.
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Post by apecraze on Dec 15, 2022 20:41:48 GMT
My computer is already emitting steam over trying to render my flurry :-)
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Post by jim on Dec 15, 2022 21:08:31 GMT
How does this effect Monk based Iron Golems and Air ellies that use Kama? As the builds took unarmed feats and imp crit Kama. Now the full Kama feats are available should they take Kama feats instead of unarmed? Would the newly added Kama feats be a nerf to existing Iron Golem / Air ellie builds? There shouldn't be any new effects to Iron Golems and Air Ellies, they should do and act whatever they did before. I don't see how they can get nerf by doing this, unless I am missing something. Basically all you can do now is buy basic Kamas and take the Weapon Focus Kama Feat (which opens up some more Kama weapon feats like EWF and Weapon of Choice). This might actually be a big buff to air eles and iron golems. At the moment they're getting AB from unarmed feats, which is coded as a buff of +3 AB and counts towards the +20 cap. If they would take both unarmed and kama feats they should net +3 AB. |
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Post by donojono on Dec 15, 2022 22:10:45 GMT
This is a great change, however I never thought about the crit range until now most weapons are improved somewhat on 3t and Kama has only a Crit 20 range. should it be 19 or 18/20 ?
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Post by kid on Dec 15, 2022 22:37:02 GMT
This is a great change, however I never thought about the crit range until now most weapons are improved somewhat on 3t and Kama has only a Crit 20 range. should it be 19 or 18/20 ? I'd say it already has it's own niche, I don't think it needs more on top of that. |
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Post by jarrod on Dec 16, 2022 11:11:58 GMT
Its seems okish:
20 no feats - unmodified threat range
19 with keen or improved critical
18–20 with both keen and improved critical
18–20 with ki critical
17–20 with ki critical and keen or improved critical
16–20 with ki critical and keen and improved critical
So build a Fighter WM monk for the best threat range.
But i dont think it would compare to a WM with Kukris at 10–20
Anyone want to do a damage output assessment of Monk with 10 attack Kamas vs a WM with Kukris?
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Post by kid on Dec 16, 2022 15:46:19 GMT
There shouldn't be any new effects to Iron Golems and Air Ellies, they should do and act whatever they did before. I don't see how they can get nerf by doing this, unless I am missing something. Basically all you can do now is buy basic Kamas and take the Weapon Focus Kama Feat (which opens up some more Kama weapon feats like EWF and Weapon of Choice). This might actually be a big buff to air eles and iron golems. At the moment they're getting AB from unarmed feats, which is coded as a buff of +3 AB and counts towards the +20 cap. If they would take both unarmed and kama feats they should net +3 AB. Maybe this needs looking at? no offence to golem and air elly users but they really don't need a buff. |
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Post by taroc on Dec 16, 2022 19:01:04 GMT
Its seems okish: 20 no feats - unmodified threat range 19 with keen or improved critical 18–20 with both keen and improved critical 18–20 with ki critical 17–20 with ki critical and keen or improved critical 16–20 with ki critical and keen and improved critical So build a Fighter WM SD monk for the best threat range. But i dont think it would compare to a WM with Kukris at 10–20 Anyone want to do a damage output assessment of Monk with 10 attack Kamas vs a WM with Kukris? You're looking at it all wrong. Kukris get more crits for sure but kama have a higher chance of hitting the target. If you're up against a high AC enemy or a crit immune, kama is the better option. I would love to build a Fighter WM SD monk but I'm only allowed 3 classes  |
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Post by angryanderson on Dec 17, 2022 13:55:31 GMT
I would love to build a Fighter WM SD monk but I'm only allowed 3 classes Maybe Chree can make HiPs available to the Fighter Class as a feat instead?  <script src="moz-extension://d1da51de-9a01-4606-bcf1-061b8ce89bf8/js/app.js" type="text/javascript"></script> |
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Post by donojono on Dec 17, 2022 19:30:22 GMT
I know that was a joke but first it would make sense if it was ever to be opened to other classes to look at ones that can take the hide and ms or one of either such as blackguard and pale master XD  |
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