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Post by donojono on Mar 28, 2017 18:06:06 GMT
So the reason that I was confused is that it does not work like the normal pussiant for someone taking 2 weapons focus that is not an elemental, then using a third with 3 IC altogether, so its kind of like an exploit really that is why it didnt make sense to me, but that is a good explanation now I get it. the Kama was for the AIr elemental was originally developed before the use of pussiant so therefore would I be right in saying it was not the intended function or maybe an oversight that when Pussiant was allowed work while shifted (a good thing) that then kama should of been removed? or is this also similar now with stone golem,slaad and other unarmed or armed shapes ? would it work in the same way.
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Post by joakim on Mar 28, 2017 18:09:11 GMT
Quoted from a thread about 5 below this one 😜 "You will need wf, ws, ewf, ews, and ic on 2 weapons for the puissant widget, so I'd put all of those in unarmed for the first weapon and all but ic of the rest of those feats on the second weapon into whatever other weapon you want but if you take ic kama on a monk level pre epic then you won't need the exotic feat. Kama uses unarmed feats for ab bonuses on air elemental since 3t doesn't have any other kama's, so the unarmed feats work for all the elemental and animal shapes. As a shifter your equipped weapon doesn't really matter, use any 1 hander and a shield and you're solid" Best explanation i've seen so far. Afaik ac is better than dr for air/water ele builds, can reach mid 80's ac with decent gear. Yes, and closer to 90's with better. However, if you take EDR, it won't in any way shape or form prevent you from getting the highest possible AC. You base DEX stat means nothing, only u'r wisdom is transfered to the shape, and that will be capts and +3 or 4 (max) as somebody said earlier, so every wisdom point above 18 or 20 will only add to will save, and spellslots, which tbh aren't that important. Sure the heals but, since elli can't use it in shape, it does very little since u have to shift back (using up 1 of your 3 forms/day). So yes, EDR is just very nice to have, it won't get you less AB if you build for it. Edit: Saw that Adamantite already answered this.
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Post by mcbutcher on Mar 28, 2017 19:28:09 GMT
why go for EDR? arent this type of builds better with ac? Extra defense so when I do get hit it will be physical damage less plus what addy said, loads of spare feats and ability points
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Post by mcbutcher on Mar 28, 2017 19:34:42 GMT
Joakim will save is important on this build as end game there are a lot of monstera casting word of faith which can instantly kill an elemental
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Post by mcbutcher on Mar 28, 2017 19:38:04 GMT
Build should be up to scratch now if anyone cares to take a look.
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Post by heavymetal2000 on Mar 28, 2017 19:50:37 GMT
Puissant will work in the manner stated regardless of your build. You take IC kama because this build focuses on using air shape which uses kama thus allowing it to be unfocused while the rest of your feats are in in other weapons.
Most likely unarmed for other shapes in full, and then a second "simple" Weapon which doesn't matter.
The exception with weapon master is that the widget can identify WM and therefore you can select a third weapon focus + second weapon of choice to match whichever weapon you want to have IC for unfocused. The rest remains the same. You need minimum 13 WM for this.
EDR makes sense here for moresurvivability with available feat space.
Will saves are a big deal, WoF is everywhere!
Edit: Level 18: WS: Morning Star
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Post by joakim on Mar 28, 2017 19:52:39 GMT
Joakim will save is important on this build as end game there are a lot of monstera casting word of faith which can instantly kill an elemental I know, but mostly death ward is still needed. I would however suggest to take will now pre epic (as I did) since u don't need the third IC which I earlier believed.
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Post by mcbutcher on Mar 28, 2017 20:18:52 GMT
I don't have a spare feat for iron will as I only toon 2x improved crit
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Post by mcbutcher on Mar 28, 2017 20:20:53 GMT
Edit: Level 18: WS: Morning Star Good eye. Done, thanks
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Post by heavymetal2000 on Mar 28, 2017 20:43:52 GMT
Out of curiosity does your overall hp change at all when in Ele shape? And what's the reflex save like in air shape with boosted dex?
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Post by joakim on Mar 28, 2017 21:02:49 GMT
Out of curiosity does your overall hp change at all when in Ele shape? And what's the reflex save like in air shape with boosted dex? Depends a lot on the gear. Mine is 37-38 ish, but that's without any items adding to uni or reflex saves. Dex isn't maxed tho, could get like 3 more from it. Suffice to say, it most likely won't help much end game. But I'm not sure. Haven't been around that much yet.
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Post by sir_lupy on Jun 19, 2017 20:16:46 GMT
I don't have a spare feat for iron will as I only toon 2x improved crit would dropping toughness for iron will be better endgame? if will is important im guessing the 40 hps could be sacrificed. and or epic prowess switched to epic will? i've been wanting to try an elemental. this has been a good thread to read. very informative.
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Post by mcbutcher on Jun 20, 2017 6:54:20 GMT
I don't have a spare feat for iron will as I only toon 2x improved crit would dropping toughness for iron will be better endgame? if will is important im guessing the 40 hps could be sacrificed.  and or epic prowess switched to epic will?  i've been wanting to try an elemental.  this has been a good thread to read.  very informative. On reflection maybe it would be better to have iron will and /or epic. Depending on where you will farm, as WoF isn't being cast that much in some areas as others. But I suppose it's good to have the option
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Post by sir_lupy on Jun 20, 2017 18:29:18 GMT
I was discussing in game with a player took epic prowess instead of ESF disc. It sounds like that is an option as well. I'm guessing knockdown isn't a problem for them.
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Post by psv38 on Jun 20, 2017 22:06:44 GMT
I took ep over esf disc simply b/c I value ab over disc as I have very high ac and DR/crit immunity to cover a potential knockdown. AND, from my 8+ mil xp all on trighton courtyard, even though I have been knocked down on occasion, I can't remember any deaths from a knockdown...
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